Last year i had treatment for CIN2 where quite alot of my cervix was lasered off. I'll report back as to what the consultant advises xxx, Thanks for the replies. Excision is recommended for adenocarcinoma in situ (AIS). Type I cervical transformation zone All content is available under the Open Government Licence v3.0, except where otherwise stated, Follow up of individuals attending for colposcopy with CIN and early stage cervical cancer, Cervical screening: programme and colposcopy management, nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3, International Federation of Cervical Pathology and Colposcopy (, chapter 4 (Management of cases relating to pregnancy, contraception, menopause and hysterectomy), no obviously superior conservative surgical technique for treating and eradicating, Cervical screening programme guidance for histopathology, many individuals would receive unnecessary treatment, Punch biopsy in the management of ?glandular neoplasia and borderline changes in endocervical cell samples is not appropriate, Excisional treatment is recommended for those wishing to retain fertility, Treated individuals are between 2 and 5 times more likely than the general population to experience cervical cancer, Guidance for the training of cervical sample takers, Coronavirus (COVID-19): guidance and support, Transparency and freedom of information releases, whether the examination was adequate or inadequate (for the examination to be adequate the entire cervix and squamo-columnar junction must be seen), the presence or absence of vaginal and or endocervical extension, the colposcopic impression of lesion grade, the type of transformation zone (type 1, 2 or 3), the site of any colposcopically directed biopsies, when most of the ectocervix is replaced with high grade abnormality, when low grade colposcopic change is associated with high grade dyskaryosis (severe) or worse, when a lesion extends into the endocervical canal, sufficient cervical tissue should be excised to remove the entire endocervical lesion, where cytology is suggestive of invasive disease or of ?glandular neoplasia, the entire transformation zone is visualised, there is no evidence of any glandular abnormality, including either ?glandular neoplasia or borderline changes in endocervical cells, on cytology, there is no suspicion of any invasive disease, there is no major discrepancy between cytology and histology, there is no history of post-coital or intermenstrual bleeding, there is no gland crypt involvement on punch biopsy, there is no history of previous treatment, there is no evidence of glandular abnormality, the endocervical and deep lateral excision margins are free of both, the gynaecological cancer centre pathologist and multidisciplinary team (, there are positive margins after an adequate excisional procedure, treatment by excision is followed by further high grade cytological abnormality, the patient is unwilling to undergo conservative management, adequate screening follow up has not been possible, for example because of cervical stenosis, the patient has other clinical indications for the procedure, invasive disease has been confidently excluded, individuals with a sample that has been reported as, individuals with a sample that has been reported as positive for, individuals who reach the age of 65 must continue to be invited for follow up tests and or be referred for further investigations as necessary until they have completed all follow up protocols and satisfy the requirements for being ceased from the programme, for individuals on routine recall and with no, individuals who undergo hysterectomy and have completely excised, for individuals who undergo hysterectomy and have incompletely excised, any gynaecologist discharging a patient who requires further vault samples should ensure that the, the clinician in charge (gynaecologist or, individuals who undergo subtotal hysterectomy still have their cervix in situ, and so must remain within the cervical screening programme, the colposcopic examination is adequate and has excluded CIN3 and an invasive lesion, a CIN2 lesion occupies no more than 2 quadrants of the cervix, CIN2 has been diagnosed on histology and reviewed at, they agree to regular 6 monthly follow up colposcopic examinations including repeat cervical sampling and repeat biopsy (if indicated by the presence of a more severe lesion (CIN3) on colposcopic examination), they understand the time period for resolution of CIN2 can be at least 24 months (as described in research published in. This sounds like cancer, but CIN 3 is not cervical cancer. Treatment before hysterectomy . Punch biopsy in the management of ?glandular neoplasia and borderline changes in endocervical cell samples is not appropriate. The date for the next recall should be 6 months after their treatment. The biopsies are looked at under a microscope to find the grade of the CIN. Individuals with SMILE should be managed according to guidance for CGIN. Oo I forgot to write, reading the posts about the stitch after loop procedure. At least 93% of should be seen within 2 weeks of referral. Individuals referred with borderline changes in endocervical cells with a negative colposcopic examination should not be given a 3 year recall but considered at MDT. Claire - mommy to Joshua, born on 15/10.09 at 30+5weeks, weighing 3lb 12oz. The incidence of cervical cancer in pregnancy is low, with estimates in the literature ranging from 3.3 to 26 cases per 100,000 births. Yes that helps. It can carry on for up to 4 weeks. Individuals can be offered conservative management of CIN2 if: Treatment must be offered if the CIN2 has not resolved within 24 months. In pregnancy, follow CIN 2 or 3 with colposcopy each trimester, and reevaluate at 6 to 12 weeks postpartum Value of excisional treatment. These women underwent cytocolposcopic examination every eighth week during pregnancy and two months after delivery, when the cervical changes associated with gestation had disappeared. Pregnancy does not seem to raise the risk of cancer coming back. x. I had a LLETZ procedure for CIN3 and was told afterwards the I have a short cervix and wouldn't carry a child to full term, only to about 34 weeks - that was in September 2008. If you are already pregnant, and are due to have a cervical screening test, you can usually wait to have the test until 3 months after your baby is born. At least 93% of referrals should be seen within 2 weeks. Microinvasive squamous cancer International Federation of Gynaecology and Obstetrics (FIGO) stage Ia1 can be managed by local excisional techniques if: If the invasive lesion is excised but CIN extends only to the deep lateral and endocervical excision margin, then a repeat excision should be performed to confirm complete excision of the CIN and to exclude further invasive disease. CGIN often occurs in young individuals. Vault sampling is not part of the routine screening programme. National data of 25,827 women having a surgical treatment of the cervix for CIN in 1986-2003 and their 8,210 subsequent singleton births in 1987-2004 were studied. ... Read more on Netmums I had lletz for Cin3 in July 2010 and conceived exactly 4 weeks after the treatment!!!! I really really want another baby in the next few years and I'd be devestated if I couldn't x, Hi, I'm in the same situation as you so can fully understand how you feel but I've had assurances that future pregnancies are possible. A double freeze-thaw-freeze technique must be used. I had to have treatment after my first and I am just waiting for my follow-up which is next month so will have lots of questions for the gynae. I got pregnant while I had CIN 3, I had had treatment and the the cells returned, then got pregnant before I could have the treatment again. BabyCenter aims to share products and services we hope you’ll find interesting and helpful. Kyrgiou M, Mitra A, Arbyn M, et al. In October 2009 I gave birth to my son at 30 weeks. All treated patients were cured after the first-year follow-up visit. If the margins of an initial excision are not free from CGIN, a further attempt at excision should be offered in order to confidently exclude invasion and obtain negative margins. All individuals having definitive treatment for high grade CIN must be treated within 8 weeks with the exception of those who are pregnant. It has made me feel as though I have to complete my family sooner rather than later though just incase things progress or it comes back  xx, I had a loop biopsy for mine back in July 2006. In addition, individuals who have radical trachelectomy as part of conservative management of cervical cancer should remain under the care and guidance of their treating gynaecologist or gynaecological oncologist. There are 3 levels of CIN and they relate to how deep into the skin the abnormal cells have gone. One less worry. CIN 2/3: vault samples at 6 and 12 months followed by 9 annual vault samples follow up for incompletely excised CIN continues to 65 years or until 10 years after surgery (whichever is later) Already pregnant. I have the loop ( i think thats what its called) when they burn the cells off which flipping hurt so much. If at 6 or 18 months after treatment the test is positive for hrHPV the individual should be referred to colposcopy. Hello, just wanting some reassurance really and to see whether anyone has had a baby after having treatment for CIN3 and whether it affected their pregnancy in anyway? All treatment must be recorded in the colposcopy database and patient notes. They should be counselled that the expected programme of management appears safe as long as follow up tests and appointments are attended. Cervical screening during pregnancy is a special circumstance, as additional consideration needs to be given for the wellbeing of the foetus. Unless an excisional treatment is planned, biopsy should be carried out when the cytology is high grade, and always when a recognisably atypical transformation zone is present. If no colposcopic abnormality is present and re-excision is not appropriate, the individual should revert to 10 years of follow up with annual hrHPV testing. Removing the transformation zone in multiple fragments can increase the difficulties encountered in histopathological assessment. i ve never thougt to mention any to midwife and should I? Endometrial sampling is indicated in individuals referred to colposcopy with ?glandular neoplasia or not otherwise specified (NOS). Patient compliance with follow up must be encouraged. As indicated in the revised criteria for colposcopic examination from the International Federation of Cervical Pathology and Colposcopy (IFCPC) nomenclature committee in 2011, data recording at the colposcopic examination must include: Care must be taken not to overlook invasive disease. Most of the time, cases of CIN can be treated successfully. You are passing a message to a BabyCenter staff member. Report samples as ?glandular neoplasia of endocervical type if they show cytological features suggestive of cervical glandular intraepithelial neoplasia (CGIN) or endocervical adenocarcinoma. I know a few people who have had babies after having this treatment so in a way I'm just being silly. Excisional treatment is recommended for those wishing to retain fertility. BMJ. hrHPV positive and negative cytology or low grade cytological abnormality (low grade dyskaryosis or less) and a low grade or negative colposcopic examination do not necessarily require colposcopic biopsy. A TOC primary hrHPV sample should be taken 6 and 12 months after treatment, followed by annual sampling for the next 9 years before returning to routine recall (if still within the screening age range). So it was all fine in my case. Don’t include personal or financial information like your National Insurance number or credit card details. Refer patients to gynaecology for further investigation. This publication is available at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cervical-screening-programme-and-colposcopy-management/3-colposcopic-diagnosis-treatment-and-follow-up. The histology report should record the dimensions of the specimen and the status of the resection with regard to intraepithelial or invasive disease. However the guidance below is provided for the sake of completeness and details the programme follow up recall requirements. Much of this increased risk may result from poor compliance with long term follow up. Excisional techniques should remove tissue to a depth of 15 to 25 mm in ≥95% of cases, depending on the position of the squamocolumnar junction within the endocervical canal. In 6 patients CIN was diagnosed after the sixteenth week of pregnancy. Type II cervical transformation zone These individuals are under the individual care of a gynaecologist and are no longer within the cervical screening programme. Individuals referred with low grade dyskaryosis or less and who have an adequate and normal colposcopic examination are at low risk of developing cervical cancer. Individuals referred with high grade dyskaryosis on their test result who have a colposcopically low grade lesion, whose colposcopy is adequate and who are not treated, should have multiple biopsies (≥90%). Investigate and diagnose CGIN/stratified mucin producing intraepithelial lesion of the cervix (SMILE) through colposcopy and histopathological assessment of an excisional biopsy (including the endocervical canal) in order to distinguish between CGIN and invasive adenocarcinoma. Individuals who have a positive primary hrHPV test and subsequently have a borderline endocervical screening result should be referred to colposcopy and have appropriate assessment. Cryocautery should only be used for low grade CIN. To help us improve GOV.UK, we’d like to know more about your visit today. The colposcopy clinic is responsible for notifying the call and recall service with the due date for the next screen. this will be your first follow-up appointment, your original treatment was for a more severe abnormality called CIN 2 or CIN 3 and your doctor was sure all the abnormal areas were treated this is any time after your first follow-up appointment, so long as you have not missed any appointments and your smear tests are up to date and normal. The treatment of early invasive cervical cancer lies outside the responsibility of the NHS Cervical Screening Programme (NHS CSP). This is because many individuals would receive unnecessary treatment. Fertility and early pregnancy outcomes after treatment for cervical intraepithelial neoplasia: systematic review and meta-analysis. We’ll send you a link to a feedback form. Reasons for treating under general anaesthesia should be recorded in the colposcopy record. Individuals with a diagnosis of high grade CIN must receive treatment promptly. The PPV should be at least 75% for a CI of a high grade lesion (CIN2 or worse) for individuals referred with high grade cytology, and at least 35% for all other referrals. I posted a few years back about having cin 3 and adencarsonma in situ.. They will only be discharged to 3 year recall if the cytology is downgraded to negative at MDT. Ablation and resection are effective in about 90% of all cases, with a 10% chance of recurrence of CIN after treatment. SMILE is a histological entity usually found in conjunction with CIN and CGIN, but it can occur in the absence of these. Cervical screening with hrHPV can predict the presence of cervical glandular intraepithelial abnormalities. PPV is defined as the proportion of individuals with an adequate colposcopic examination and a colposcopic impression (CI) of a high grade lesion who have high grade CIN (including cervical glandular intraepithelial neoplasia (CGIN)) or worse confirmed by histological examination (directed biopsy or tissue excised at first visit (see and treat)). You can change your cookie settings at any time. 3.Cervical Intraepithelial Neoplasia – When ... the impact of cervical treatment on subsequent fertility and pregnancy should be available for effective patient counselling at colposcopy They decided on cold coagulation treatment as opposed to LLETZ which is apparently less invasive and causes less issues with furture pregnancy. Objective: To study whether a treatment of cervical intraepithelial neoplasia (CIN) is associated with an adverse outcome in the subsequent pregnancies. Treatment at first visit to colposcopy for a referral of hrHPV positive and cytology negative, borderline squamous changes or low grade dyskaryosis should not be offered except where the abnormality is known to be long-standing. For the management of individuals with CGIN, see section 3.2 below. CIN 3 is also known as carcinoma-in-situ. Shared decision making should be used when considering expedited treatment, especially for patients with concerns about the potential impact of treatment on pregnancy outcomes. According to research published in 2015, 2018 and 2019, the highest prevalence is found in individuals referred with a high grade cytology result, the lowest in individuals referred with persistent hrHPV and negative cytology. I had CIN3 September 2009 and then came back January 2010. In younger individuals and or individuals who wish to conserve their fertility who have a colposcopically visible squamocolumnar junction (SCJ), a cylindrically-shaped cervical excisional biopsy including the whole transformation zone (TZ) and at least 10mm of endocervix above the SCJ is appropriate. Data sources Medline and Embase. These individuals are returned to community-based 3 year recall. Although there are no official guidelines determining the length of time to wait after cancer treatment before attempting pregnancy, clinical nurse specialist Joanne Frankel Kelvin, RN, MSN, AOCN, of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York, who established a program called Cancer and Fertility, says it is generally recommended to wait at least one year. It is not cancer. Simple hysterectomy may be considered if: All individuals remain at risk following treatment and must be followed up 6 months after treatment according to screening guidance as given below. For the fastest help on, More posts in "Abnormal Smear/Colposcopy Support Group" group, Create a post in "Abnormal Smear/Colposcopy Support Group" group, Breastfeeding: the trick to a comfy latch. Women diagnosed with high-grade CIN during pregnancy can be reviewed at about 28 weeks gestation. These samples can be performed in the community. All individuals needing treatment must have had colposcopic assessment, and treatment must take place in properly equipped and staffed clinics. The positive predictive value (PPV) of a colposcopic diagnosis is dependent on the prevalence of the disease in the referred population. There may be pressing reasons for delaying excision (pregnancy for example). Don’t worry we won’t send you spam or share your email address with anyone. Follow up is recommended with colposcopy and hrHPV testing. Cancer develops when the deeper layers of the cervix are affected by abnormal cells. However, early-stage cervical cancer may be more frequently encountered by clinicians caring for women during their pregnancy due to higher age-specific incidence rates in the 30–39 year age group, compared with younger ages, and more wom… Type of treatment If conservative treatment for cervical cancer has been performed, leaving a residual cervix, follow up is recommended. If there is no CIN or low grade CIN on the biopsy these cases should be discussed at the MDT. All individuals must have an established histological diagnosis within 3 months of having ablative treatment. The cytological appearance of SMILE is poorly understood. If colposcopically directed biopsy is reported as inadequate for histological interpretation, it should be repeated if there is a residual colposcopic lesion (≥95%). Individuals referred with high grade dyskaryosis (moderate or severe) on their test result are at significant risk of CIN 2 or 3, even if colposcopy was normal. Often, pregnancy after cancer treatment is safe for both the mother and baby. These are most often encountered in association with high grade cytological or colposcopic change (CIN3). If the individual has undergone total hysterectomy for early stage cervical cancer, follow up will be in accordance with local cancer network guidelines. The proportion of individuals managed as out-patients with local anaesthesia should be at least 85%, with an achievable target of 90%. Just so you know, we may earn a commission if you buy something we’ve linked to here. Please flag if you think our product match is incorrect. Get expert guidance from the world's #1 pregnancy and parenting resource, delivered via email, our apps, and website. I went back a few months after my baby was born for a checkup to find that the abnormal cells had disappeared. I actually ended up getting pregnant maybe a year later. 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